The Faculty Senate of Eastern Kentucky University met on Monday,
April 17, 2000 in the South Room of the Keen Johnson Building. Senator Curry
called the eighth meeting of the academic year to order at 3:30 p.m.
Jill Allgier,
Registrar; Dr. Rita Davis, Enrollment Management; Karen Sue Cain, MSCS;
Linda Turner, CHS; Nancy Kenner, CHS; Jacinta Feldman, The Eastern Progress;
Stephen Byrn, Admissions; Libby Wachtel, Academic Affairs-Planning and Programming
Coordination; Dominick Hart, A&S; David Gale, CHS.
Senator
Curry called the special meeting to order.
Senator
Miller called attention to several items regarding parliamentary procedure.
Senator Miller distributed a document to clarify these procedures.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
[Because of the importance of the new admissions policy and because
the extended discussion in this session of the Senate throws valuable light
on the final action of the Senate, I have included much of the actual language
of the discussion. R. Miller, secretary]
Senator
Marsden made a motion to approve the proposed Admissions Criteria.
Senator
Schlomann asked about graduation rates for lower ACT's. Dr. Karen Carey
reported the 97-98 graduation class had 40% of graduates had Act's of over
18 in all five areas. Average ACT score of students graduating was 19. Average
of our entering freshman was 19.7. Some graduates had taken six developmental
courses, but very, very few. 50% of the 97-98 graduating class transferred
to EKU.
Senator
Marsden stated that students under the new policy, who previously had been
enrolled in full standing, would now be admitted in the several conditional
categories. "Will there be some students who will not be enrolled in
EKU?" He stated that some will, but we do not have a definite number.
Senator
MacKinnon spoke in favor of the proposed admissions criteria. He said that
we should emphasize that this policy does not change our standing as a school
of opportunity but that it would make a statement to the world that EKU
does have expectations of its entering students. "We do not want to
retain our image as a school of last resort."
Senator
Dilka expressed a concern that this proposal would negatively affect students
with special needs.
Senator
Falkenberg stated her concern that the new admission policy would require
"a minimum ACT composite of 18 with no standard score below 18. This
is an excessive dependence on a standardized test alone." She made
a motion to table this issue and have the chair of the Faculty Senate appoint
a subcommittee to look at this policy and return to the Senate with a revised
policy of Admissions Criteria. After parliamentary clarification, she gave
notice that she would move to postpone indefinitely after further
discussion.
Senator Marsden: "Each of these issues is a good one. Your colleagues
who have proposed this have taken these issues into consideration. The issue
of students who have a hearing problem has been addressed. We believe that
what is before the Senate today is a very rational approach to dealing with
high-risk students." He urged not to postpone action on the policy.
Senator
Yoder spoke in favor of the motion as it stands. She remarked that we do
students a disservice if we do not fully advise them of their weaknesses
and how to address them. Much of the proposed policy is already mandated
by CPE.
Senator Flanagan noted that the Pre-College Curriculum must be fulfilled.
He asked how fulfilling this requirement would be taken care of. Dr. Davis
responded that according to the current catalog, all students must complete
all developmental courses and PCC requirements by the end of the term in
which they attempt their 45th hour.
Senator
Thompson asked, "Do you have any idea how many students will fit in
the bridge program?"
Dr.
Davis responded that this policy is not meant to be exclusive at all. This
policy is a requirement saying to students that you will accept our help.
CPE has told us that beginning fall, 2001, 18 will be the minimum entrance
requirement. We are trying to be proactive. Will have a bridge program to
accommodate these students.
Senator
Thompson: "The 18 is a composite score required from CPE, as I understand
it. What happens if we were to postpone for further study?"
Senator
Marsden: "In order for this to be effective for the fall of 2001, the
information has to be circulated sufficiently ahead of time. If the Senate
does not pass it, we would not be able to implement it fall, 2001. We need
to have a year lead-time."
Senator
Falkenberg expressed concern that a large majority of our entering students
would enter on probation and we would not have an infrastructure to handle
them.
Senator
Sowders: "Is everything under item B in the proposed policy what CPE
requires?"
Mr.
Byrn: CPE is proposing a standard where 18 composite and 18 sub-scores will
go into effect, whether or not the Senate votes for it. The advantage allows
us be proactive. From a recruitment standpoint, we have to have time to
get information out to students. The consultants, Meridian Marketing, state
that this program (or a variation thereof) is going to be their recommendation.
They report that there is a perception out there that EKU has no admission
standards. If you are an unprepared student, you go to Eastern. What we
are trying to do is change the public's perception and make EKU an institution
of first choice.
After
further discussion about the meaning of the policy, the status of entering
students, and continuing concerns about students in special categories with
special needs, Senator Wasicsko stated support for the policy but saw a
problem with the second to last paragraph, noting that criteria for admission
to the bridge programs seemed to be missing. "How does a student with
a special need gain access?"
Senator
Wasicsko made a motion to add an amendment to the Admissions Criteria as
a fourth category for Bridge Program First Step Admissions. Raise
this to an additional criterion as possibility for admission with the understanding
that these programs are funded and up and running prior to the Fall 2001
implementation. Senator Janssen seconded.
Senator
Curry: "Senator Wasicsko has now proposed an amendment to have the
last two paragraphs rewritten as a category four and an official component
of the Admission's Policy."
Senator
O'Connor added a friendly amendment to label category four as "Special
Admissions" which would include all types of bridge and supportive
programs.
Senator
Wasicsko asked to add to his amendment to adopt categories 1-3 but in addition
to creating category 4, labeled "Special Admission," to also create
a Senate committee to work with Dr. Davis and come up with criteria and
address all other concerns by the end of the fall term. Senator Janssen
accepted the change.
Senator
Rainey asked for clarification regarding which programs are in existence
and which are not? "Are there criteria already established for the
programs?"
Senator
Marsden responded that many of these programs are state and federally funded
and do have criteria established. "It is not something that we can
articulate in a simple document. The Director of Admissions needs a complete
document to circulate to all those who will be affected by it by no later
than August 1, 2000 if it is to be in effect by the fall of 2001. This is
truth in advertising, as Senator Banks stated. The major issue is whether
the Senate should become involved in the articulation agreements between
these programs and admissions requirements and so on. The Senate should
be aware that a group of dedicated people, who spent the better part of
a month, put together a Title III Grant earlier this year. If the grant
is funded, it will be in the amount of $1.5 million dollars for over a five
year period to support these efforts. The University is doing all that it
can to identify the dollars that are needed to support these programs which
includes lobbying in Frankfort."
"President
Kustra was very successful with the help of a lot of other people in the
legislature in getting recruitment and remediation money broken into two
parts. So some of it will be available this fall. That is some of the money
we need for some of these programs. So there is certainly a little trust
that has to go into play here. These are all important programs. These are
all programs that this institution will fund to the best of its ability."
"Finally,
we are not changing the mission of EKU. This institution has a mission and
is very proud of it. This is a way of dealing in a responsible way. This
is a very clear, straightforward, honest, fair way of dealing with our students.
Bottom line is we graduate 26% of the students that come into this institution.
Forty to fifty percent of our graduates are transfer students. This is a
very significant variable here. The CPE is behind the 18 cut-off with a
17 in English, Math and Reading as the automatic placement. We also know
that the Council is going to move toward these admissions criteria. This
is getting a jump start. There is no hidden agenda. I speak against the
motion".
Senator
Janssen wanted to answer a question asked earlier. "The Center of Deafness
has recently been funded and has not been funded specifically funded for
this purpose. So, it would require for the Center of Deafness to seek additional
funds for doing something different than what it was initially funded for
and that's why the statements have been made that not all of these programs
are, at the moment, in place. That doesn't mean that it could not be done.
It's just that we are in the process of a lot of things and so there are
uncertainties filtering in.
Senator Wasicsko: "I've been persuaded by some of the arguments of
some of my colleagues to ask for one last friendly amendment. I still think
that there are four categories, because if you look at the paragraph beginning
with "Students now heading probation hearing" then things should
be pretty clear that they're talking about different categories. I would
be happy to amend my motion one last time to take the suggestion of #4,
Special Admissions, leave the paragraph as it's stated, but instead of saying
"Bridge Program--First Step," say "Special Admissions Program."
We can leave the entire first paragraph and say that that precludes having
any need for any additional committees to work with the Retention Committee,
etc. It does at least have on our historical document that we do know that
there are, at times, other categories of individuals that need to be given
a hearing." - Senator Janssen accepted the revision.
Senator
Curry: " I believe we went back to the original motion to amend. Basically
to substitute "Special Admissions" for the words "Bridge
Program - First Step" and leave the rest of it intact without any stipulation
for sub-committees and establishment of criteria. Is that acceptable? Any
further discussion on the amendment, which is to create a category 4 entitled
"Special Admissions," which would reflect the statement as written
on your yellow piece of paper, and substitute "Special Admissions"
instead of "Bridge Program--First Step" anywhere that it may apply?"
Motion passed.
Senator
Falkenberg made a motion to postpone the Admissions Policy definitely until
October meeting. Senator Dunston seconded. The motion failed.
Senator
Schlomann: "I move that we amend the criteria to delete the parenthesis
on 1B and remove the parenthetical with no standard scores below 18."
Senator Falkenberg seconded.
Senator
Yoder requested clarification on what the CPE standard is going to be. "I
think it should be in line with CPE. It is in my understanding that CPE
is requiring those sub-scores. I could be wrong, but I'm asking for clarification."
Senator
Marsden: "As I understand, and we've been working with Council on Postsecondary
Education for about nine months on this, CPE will require that all students
who are entering four year baccalaureate bound institutions beginning in
the year 2001 will be required to have scored at least an 18 in English,
Math, and Reading, or they will be mandatorily placed into remedial courses.
If this amendment were to pass, we would be granting full admission to students
who in fact would need to find remediation standards, or course work, as
defined by the state of Kentucky. Therefore, I obviously will speak against
it. It doesn't make any sense to me to do that, when that is what we're
talking about--granting full admission to individual students who have a
deficiency. I come back to Professor Banks. Again, this is truth in advertising.
Are we saying to a student, "You can have full admission to this institution,
but excuse me, you have to take this reading course or that math course
over there." I think it is simply a straight forward approach. I keep
coming back to that because it seems so crystal clear to me that this is
a way of being honest with people. I would have a hard time granting full
admission to any individual that the state of Kentucky says needs remediation."
Senator
Curry: "Senator Marsden, a point of clarification. You said that the
CPE indicates that they must have a score of 18 in English, Math, and Reading,
but not in Science Reasoning. So then, would it be acceptable, instead of
saying "No Standard Scores" to define what "No Standard Scores"
means?
Senator
Marsden: "Well, if you were tying it directly to the CPE, but my understanding
from the admissions office where I asked for clarification is they were
talking about all of the standard subscores, not just those three. I'm focusing
on those three to answer the question about the CPE., But the action to
oppose it came forward for all substandard subscores. That's my understanding.
Correct?"
Mr.
Byrn: "Yes, my understanding was that the discussion within the body
that developed this was to be cognizant of the CPE standards, use those
as a framework around which we built our own standards. So these incorporate
both standards of Eastern and standards of the CPE curriculum."
Senator
Wasicsko: "Is there a way to remediate a below-18 Science score? Are
we going to require a course in that? I think we're talking about the three
areas that we would ask people to take a course in."
Senator
Marsden: "Are there particular ways to remediate a science course at
a particular time? There may be, depending on the program that you're in,
you may have to make up a course. The real issue is, will there be other
areas of remediation in the future? By 2004, all students graduating from
high school in the state of Kentucky will be required to have a minimum
of two years of high school language, in a single language, before they
can be admitted into a baccalaureate bound institution. That's another remediation
problem, but that's a few years off. So I'm simply saying that there are
multiple remediations possible. The answer to your question is, there may
be some science that would have to be remediated for a particular program."
Senator
Dunston: "I have just one question. If we submit a minimum ACT composite
score of 18, with no standard scores below 18, what happens to those students?
Do they automatically bounced down? They go down to probationary?"
Senator
Curry: "Yes. And they would then have to fulfill the developmental
courses within their first 45 credit hours of enrollment. Yes, they are
considered on probationary status."
Senator
Janssen: "As I understand it, if they don't have an 18 on each of their
standard scores, then they could be admitted "probationary" if
they have a 2.5 on a 4.0 scale. So that does leave a question regarding
those that have an overall fairly high ACT score, but they have one score
that falls below 18, and they have a GPA over 2.0, but not a 2.5. They are
not probationary."
Senator
MacKinnon moved the previous question. Senator O'Connor seconded. Motion
to stop debate and vote on the amendment passed.
Senator
Curry: "We are now voting on the amendment to remove the parenthetical
statement with no standard scores on section 1B under "Full Admission.'"
The motion failed.
Senator
Murray: "We are now back to the original motion, which is the admission
criteria proposal as it is before you, with the previous amendment to add
Roman Numeral 4, "Special Admissions".
Senator
Flanagan: "I rise in favor of the original motion. I think that it
is worth our effort to go ahead and pass this document with the understanding
that there is going to be still a lot of work to be done to go ahead and
make this work. I think that they have indicated that that is indeed the
way that business is going to be carried forward. I see two reasons why
the Senate deals with it. Number one, to give the Senate's opinion on any
substantial item or whatever that needs to be dealt with. Number two, to
get information that we didn't have to take back to our faculty."
Senator
Yoder: "Having just voted down the amendment, I still do have a problem
with 1B parentheses where it says "with no standard scores". I
would prefer that it only mentions that you must have standard scores of
18 for those things that can be remediated. Otherwise, I don't understand
how you get out of probationary status, if you have no way to remediate
it. So we know that we're remediating Math, English, and Reading. I think
those should be the only four listed there in that parentheses." I
move to amend the statement."
Senator
Murray: "We have a motion to amend 1B to state, "with no score
below 18 in English, Math, or Reading. The motion has been seconded by Senator
Taylor. Discussion on the amendment."
Senator Janssen: "As I understand it, these are admissions requirements,
and it's not a matter of status forevermore within the University, but merely
admission requirements. So it's not like you move from probationary to full
admission. Rather, if you're admitted through the probationary and then
to stay in the University, there are requirements that you need to meet.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I still have a problem with the discrepancy there
with a group of people who may not have an 18 score. They come in probationary,
but they can't come in probationary if they don't have a 2.5. It just seems
like there is a piece there that is out of sync that I'm not understanding".
Senator
Goodwin: " I'm not sure that I'm really responding to what she said,
but I do have a question of my own. If indeed we're using a Science score,
for instance, that is under 18, to put them in this classification, and
we don't have the remediation for that particular discipline, why are we
putting them into remediation? What are we putting them into remediation
for? So that's my question that I hope to have answered."
Senator
Marsden: "It might be appropriate, if I might, to have the Director
of Admissions respond."
Mr.
Byrn: "Again, my understanding of why it was inclusive across the board
was to be pre-emptive in what we think the group that worked on it thought
would be standards that could possibly be implemented by the CPE. We can
live with the three. That's not a problem."
Senator
Murray: "I will speak on this, and I do have a question as to if we
have them on probationary admission, and they have to fulfill their deficiency
within 45 hours, and it's in Science, what are they fulfilling it in? So
I think it is a legitimate question at this time."
Senator
Jackson: "Either third time's a charm or I'm beating a dead horse here,
but I would like an answer from the Admissions Office. There is a chunk
of people, full admission, at a 2.0 or higher, but composite 18 and as it
is right now, an 18 in all levels. When we go down to probationary, the
GPA is 2.5. So, let's say I have a 2.3 high school GPA, I have a composite
18 score, but one of those was not at the 18th level. Therefore, it sounds
reasonable that I would drop down to probationary, but probationary, I have
to have a GPA of 2.5. So where do I go in this mix? If I could have a specific
answer from the Admissions Office please?"
Dr.
Davis: "Well, that's a good question, but the point would be, I believe,
that they would be probationary until they remediate. They would have to
remediate. At this point, I think that they potentially could be "Special
Admittance". That's a good point, but we already have policies in hand
that you have to remediate if you're below a certain sub-score."
Mr.
Byrn: "I think that some of the history of this I don't know about.
My understanding is that the reason the 2.5 was used was to compensate for
the lower ACT scores. You raise a valid point. I would have to give it a
little more consideration before I can give you a reasonable answer."
Senator
Strong: " I guess what comes to mind, since you're on Probationary
Admission, why do you have to compensate? Therefore, it would make more
sense to have that as a 2.0 also."
Dr.
Davis: "Well, the intent there is because we know some people do not
test well, so they may not do as well on the ACT. We wanted to give them
the benefit of the doubt in having a higher GPA. That's what the NCAA does.
This doesn't have anything to do with athletics, but if it did, it would
look quite different! I can assure you that! But there is a sliding scale
there that is used frequently. So that if it's a lower ACT, it's a higher
GPA requirement. That gives the student the benefit of the doubt."
Senator
Yoder: " I have seen that GPA of 2.5 to balance out that low ACT score.
I think that we don't have to fix that necessarily as of yet. Where I would
see a fix is having B say "minimum ACT score of 15 or above."
That way that covers that person who had that composite score of 18, but
had a sub-score below."
Senator
Marsden: "As the way I understand, that would be an acceptable substitution
for a lot of major problems. Except that, Professor Banks is becoming my
model here when he keeps raising the issue of truth of advertising, if someone
has less than 18 in a particular sub-score, it does indicate that there's
a potential problem for that student across our curriculum. That's what
that was intended for. While under "Probationary Admission to 2.5 on
a 4.0 scale" was, as Dr. Davis suggested, a way of compensating for
those who would have an ACT composite of 15, 16, or 17. At least 15. They
could be place in this category because of that differential. It was an
attempt on the part of those who came to the open hearings to put some correctives
in place for those students who did not test well on the ACT scores. I don't
think it's a "Catch 22", but if it is, that's very unfortunate.
I think it's really good for students."
Senator
Taylor: "The amendment was just dealing with the three categories,
where we do have remediation, be added and that the fourth not be included.
I do understand the reason why the fourth was wanted to be included, but
since I've been in Kentucky (almost all of my life) and I've seen Frankfort
and I've also been a reporter who covered politics in Frankfort, I can tell
you that when they put a date, that's just a hopeful date. That's sort of
like a temporary tax in Kentucky. It doesn't exist, it will always be there.
There are certain things you know. So, I would say that until Frankfort
finally passes new standards, and when they pass the new standards for foreign
language too, I agree that we need to move into it, but I don't believe
that there's any need for us to move into it, since we do know how slowly
things move in Frankfort--just looking at the budget recently. I would suggest
that we just vote on this issue, and then bring up the "2.0/2.5" issue
after we vote on this amendment."
Senator
Murray: We vote now on the amendment, which is to substitute under 1B the
parenthetical statement to state that "with no score below 18 in English,
Math, or Reading?" Motion carried.
Senator
Huebner: "I move to amend and add point C under Probationary Admission
which reads 'meets criteria for full admission, but has one or more standard
scores on the ACT between 15-18.'"
Senator
Murray restated the motion to add under Roman number III to add C preceded
by the word "or" that a student has at least one standard score
between 15-18. Senator Jackson seconded.
Senator
Wasicsko: "There is a problem with the logic that could be fixed to
combine A and B and then make one "or". Instead of having the
"and" have a B and move B to A and then have a B that says "or".
Senator
Huebner accepted this as a friendly amendment.
Senator
Janssen made a motion to suspend the rules to extend the time of the meeting
time. Senator Jones seconded. Motion passed.
Senator
Huebner asked to withdraw the motion.
Senator
Murray: "We now are back to the original motion as amended, the Admission
Criteria Proposal with an amendment under 1B which specifies the standard
scores to be English, Reading and Math, no score below 18 and an area IV
labeled as Special Admissions as described by the paragraph as it is written
with the substitution special admissions."
Senator
Sowders: "I move the previous question." Senator Banks seconded.
Senator
Murray: We are voting to stop the discussion, not to vote on the motion.
Motion failed. Discussion continued.
Senator
Jackson: "I move that 3A change the GPA to 2.0. Senator Falkenberg
seconded, but asked could you also put a 15 or higher after the 17."
Senator Jackson agreed.
Senator
Murray: "The motion is that 3A change the GPA from 2.5 to 2.0 or a
composite score of 15 or higher. So the amendment is 3A GPA 2.5 to a GPA
of 2.0." Motion passed.
Senator
Murray called for the vote for the original proposal as it has been amended
in the following ways: under number 1-Full Admission B instead of stating
with no standard scores it will read "with no score below 18 in English,
Math, or Reading; and in 3A a grade point average of 2.0 and a category
IV to be added "Special Admissions," which is reflected under
the paragraph as it is stated with substitution of "Special Admissions"
for the word "Bridge Programs/First Steps" as is appropriate.
Motion passed.
NEW
BUSINESS
Senator
Murray asked to alter the order of business to consider a motion from the
Council on Academic Affairs-- Motion to accept the proposed changes for
assessing written communication skills for the MBA program. Materials were
distributed in the April 3 Senate packet.
Senator
Marsden stated that it is really a simple reporting function to you about
a change in those requirements which are relatively modest about something
we hope that you will receive more in a form of information.
Senator
Marsden moved acceptance, seconded by Senator Flanagan. Motion passed.
Senator
Marsden: "Let me clarify a motion at the March 6 meeting. There were
two pieces that were coupled together. I guess they were almost treated
like separate motions. One was the handling of the new dismissal policy,
which was passed by the Senate, and the other was a series of corrections
in the catalogue that was brought to the Senate. As we've gone back and
looked at those that came through the Academic Council and were brought
to you and probably in retrospect should not have been brought to you, because
they were truly catalogue corrections. Some of the senators asked questions
about whether these involved substitute changes in programs and so on. My
understanding of it is (and I asked the registrar to be with us today) is
that these were simply catalogue discrepancies that were being clarified
and if anything involved program change of any kind, they would ultimately
be brought through the various curriculum changes."
Senator
Marsden withdrew the motion to accept those changes since they did not need
to be brought to the Senate for a vote.
Senator
Murray asked for Senate secretary nominations. Senator Falkenberg nominated
Dr. Karen Carey. No further nominations. She was elected.
Senator
Thompson moved to postpone to the May 1 meeting her motion proposing a new
policy on chair tenure. Motion passed.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Senator
Marsden addressed the topic of Honorary Degrees and Commencement Speakers.
"We don't want to restrict to this particular region, and everyone
should be able to submit names of anyone in the world you feel is deserving
of an honorary degree. I would, however, caution everyone that just because
someone is nominated and received by the Senate Executive Committee, it
does not mean that they have been approved for awarding that degree. The
main point is certainly to make clear there is no restriction on who you
can nominate."
Senator
Janssen encouraged the Faculty Senate to fill out the forms that the chairs
of the departments have distributed to faculty.
Senator
Murray announced that there will be an Open Forum on April 24th in the Jaggars
Room, Powell from 12:00 p.m. - 1:00 p.m. This is a general open forum.
Senator
Murray also announced that the reception for new faculty senators will be
held on April 27th (also for the senators who will be coming back next year)
in the Faculty Club Lounge. A special invitation for the chairs of the standing
committees to be present at this meeting also.
Senator
McGuire: " I would like to make a request that the Admissions criteria
be posted somewhere on the web with the new amendments."
Senator
Janssen: "Please encourage people to read the tenured faculty members
review policy because hopefully we'll have a chance to vote on that at the
very next meeting in May."
Senator
Goodwin: "The Ad hoc Committee on Domestic Partner Benefits initially
met on January 20, 2000. The members of the committee are Doug Burnam, Elizabeth
Hansen, Sherry Jones, Ashland Richardson, and Ron Mink. I was elected to
serve as chair. At our first meeting, we assigned responsibilities for research
and have discussions established for individual positions and concerns on
the various issues concerning extending benefits to domestic partners. We
then worked to establish a consensus regarding the goals of our committee.
Since our divergent schedules provoked committee meeting, we met virtually
through e-mail. As our deadline approached, I wanted to ensure that the
details of our activities were agreed upon by the majority of our committee.
We submitted a preliminary report, two days overdue to President Kustra,
which detailed our research and presented our findings. I hope to bring
motions from our committee before the Senate during the main meeting, pending
further committee meetings in whatever form they take. A copy of our preliminary
report is in the main library at the circulation desk. If you ask for the
report authored by our committee, which is in the black three ring binder,
they generally find it very quickly. I encourage all members of the Senate
to review our reports, regardless of your viewpoint on this issue. Please
communicate any questions, concerns, or reservations you may have to me
and/or any other members of our committee. Please additionally share this
information with your departmental colleagues. We hope that you will study
our works and the motions introduced by our committee can be considered
in a timely fashion. Thank you."
ADJOURNMENT
Senator
Marsden moved to adjourn. Adjourned 5:50 p.m.